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collin26
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« on: April 11, 2010, 11:32:07 AM »

Good Day,
 These are a few photos of the Dragon Panther G currently on the bench. These photos show the base color. This will be followed by the Late war M.A.N. ( ? ) factory applied three tone cammo to the vertical surfaces only. If anyone viewing this post has ref. material of this paint scheme, please let me know.
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« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2010, 02:17:52 PM »

Collin:

Could you be a bit more specific? There are a few variations of that scheme you describe. Some were factory appilied, others in the field. Do you know which unit you want to portray? There were several on both the Eastern and Western fronts that had that scheme. Some fought in the battles outside and inside Berlin agaiinst the Soviets, and some fought near Prague against elements of the the U.S. Third Army and the Free French. There are also some earlier versions of that scheme that were used in the latter stages of the Battle of the Buldge. It would also help to know which version (steel wheel, etc.) of the Panther G your planning.

Looks great by the way.

JG
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« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2010, 04:52:08 PM »

This Panther will be steel wheels ( with one rubber road wheel for effect ) . The scheme I am looking for has wide green vertical stripes bordered by a sandy tan on each side of the green. The stripes are only on the vertical surfaces and continue from the hull sides onto the turrent and raised features on the engine deck. I t should look something like this...http://dishmodels.ru/gshow.htm?p=3002. I have found a few artist's renderings like the one in this link but what I need is an actual photo showing the placement and width of vertical stripes on a specific real Panther G.
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« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2010, 09:19:37 PM »

I can see your problem now. That is not the scheme I was thinking of, the one I was thinking of used paint, and this one uses primer as its base coat. I have not seen any photgraphs of that scheme either, and neither has our Russian model building friend. I ran the article through Google Translate, and in his own words:

Camouflage:

No accurate data, but analyzing the pictures where you can ascertain, the manufacturer can say.

MAN: always use the major spots, initially in three colors, at the end of war 2 colors (c clear boundary).

MNH:  used striped camouflage. Straight oblique stripes. This camouflaged only sloping surfaces, that can be seen from the ground. I understand MNH experienced difficulties in obtaining parts, as follows from the fact that their Panthers were more simplistic. So I suspect so often by painting and priming are not used as part of camouflage.

Daimler-Benz: use the same striped camouflage, but with a fuzzy boundary (it seems that sometimes the green only thin oblique, yellow stripes).

So, the scheme is supposed to be from production in March and April 1945 at the MNH factory. However, I think the key words he uses are "no accururate data." He does not give a reference for where he found the scheme in the article. Moreover, he dosen't provide any photo of the scheme, although he does provide a bunch for others.

There are also thumbnails at the bottom of the page with artists renditions of some of the schemes he discusses in the article, but not that one. If you click on a thumbnail, it takes you to a larger picture of the artist's renditon, and each one has a the same web address on the bottom of it: www.libellule.tk. The link goes to some weird, non modelling related page, and, according to Wikepedia, .tk is the domain code for:

.tk is the Internet country code top-level domain (ccTLD) for Tokelau, a territory of New Zealand located in the South Pacific.

So, I wouldn't exactly call any of those artist's renditions a solid reference.

In my humble opinion, and I could be wrong, there probably isn't a photographic reference for that scheme. If there was, I would think that our Russian friend would have put it in the article, since he seems to have been quite comprehensive about everything else. My feeling is that the scheme is based on a written description either from some sort "production dairy" at the MNH factory (the Germans being very meticulous about such things) or a written description from a veteran, be it German or Soviet who decribed it. There is probably an artist's rendition of it in some book somewhere, and that's where he picked up on it, yet he dosen't mention that in the article.   

Again, in my humble opinion, I would say if you like it, build it. This is supposed to be a hobby. But if your worried about someone challenging you as to the authenticity of the tank and the scheme, I think your going to be looking for some time to find a picture of it. Could take years, if at all. You might be better off trying to find a written account of it first. But I could be wrong....

Also, I could be wrong again, but I would check my references on steel wheel Panthers. I know there weren't too many built, and I think they were all built by MAN. That would put you at odds with the theory behind this scheme.

I hope this helps. Try running the article through Google Translate. That might shed some more light on the subject for you.

JG







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« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2010, 04:11:37 PM »

Hey Iain

Don't know much about the tech stuff, but I do like the CM on this Panther.

Rob
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